From: Enrichment - Restitution & Unjust Enrichment Legal
Issues <ENRICHMENT@LISTS.MCGILL.CA> on behalf of Matthew Hoyle
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Sent: Monday 23 October 2023 12:42
To: ENRICHMENT@LISTS.MCGILL.CA
Subject: Re: [RDG] Attorney General of Trinidad and Tobago v
Trinsalvage Enterprises Ltd.
Try such glorious sentences as “in its claim form and its particulars of
claim, the claimant claims”. It’s no surprise we all still say “pleading” even
though that word doesn’t appear in the CPR.
Not to mention “particulars” has two meanings, in that one may have to
give “particulars” of a certain matter (fraud, negligence) within a
“particulars of claim”, which in some cases may not contain any “particulars”
of the first kind at all.
Matthew Hoyle
Barrister
One Essex Court
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On Behalf Of Robert Stevens
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2023 12:01 PM
To: ENRICHMENT@LISTS.MCGILL.CA
Subject: Re: [RDG] Attorney General of Trinidad and Tobago v Trinsalvage
Enterprises Ltd.
As most laypeople pick up what legal English they have from US legal
dramas on TV and film, the only people who use “claimant” and not “plaintiff”
are lawyers familiar with the Woolf reforms. Thereby, somewhat ironically,
creating a dissonance between legal usage and that of ordinary people. (And
between the past and the present; and between this common law system and of
others).
“The claimant claims” is also just uglier than “the plaintiff claims”.
However, looking at Lionel’s list, I think I’d probably just ditch
“chose in action.”
See pp 5-7
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4416200
From: Enrichment - Restitution & Unjust
Enrichment Legal Issues <ENRICHMENT@LISTS.MCGILL.CA>
On Behalf Of Lionel Smith
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2023 10:53 AM
To: ENRICHMENT@LISTS.MCGILL.CA
Subject: Re: [RDG] Attorney General of Trinidad and Tobago v Trinsalvage
Enterprises Ltd.
Steven
said: “(Speaking for myself, claimant is a superior term to plaintiff, for the
same reasons that we now use English rather than Law French.)”
But many
English words (arguably all of them) come from other languages .. and if the
oldest example of “plaintiff” being used in English in the OED is 1325, the
oldest “claimant” is only 1747.
Moreover if
we want to get rid of Law French words and expressions, we will need to get rid
of defendant, tort, fee simple, laches, lien, bailiff, attorney, chose in
action, chattel, escrow, estoppel, mortgage, jury, cy-près, etc.
Lionel
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