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Your response raises several interesting points, Allan,
and has made me think that my example is a bad one, though I'm not ready
to give up on the idea of relative causative potency just yet.
If D1 driving at 60 mph hits a pedestrian then he is
likely to cause him significantly more damage than D2 who hits a pedestrian
when driving at 20 mph. Hence if they both hit him at the same time and
cumulatively cause him harm then it is likely that a greater proportion
of this harm was caused by D1's actions than by D2's actions.
If we knew for sure that (say) three-quarters of the
harm was caused by D1 and one-quarter by D2, then really we'd be saying
that they have caused him two different harms, and that D1 was the sole
cause of one and D2 the sole cause of the other. This would then make
D1 solely liable for one and D2 solely liable for the other, and so they
wouldn't be liable for the same damage and there would be no contribution
claim. The courts quite like doing this, even in pretty unpromising circumstances
(e.g. Rahman
v Arearose Ltd [2001] QB 351), because it means they can avoid
making D1 and D2 pay for harm which they haven't caused.
But let's say the harm suffered by the victim is indivisible.
If we know for sure that either D1 or D2 would have caused the whole of
the harm, absent the other, then the point I overlooked when I wrote my
example was of course that neither is liable on a but-for test because
each can say that the other's actions caused the harm. We've arrived at
Fitzgerald v Lane [1989] AC 328: the court must fudge it and
say that their actions, considered separately, were each a cause of the
harm, and that this is enough for liability.
How should an apportionment be made between D1 and D2
in this kind of case? You would say that neither defendant's actions can
have been a more potent cause of the harm, producing the conclusion that
an apportionment based solely on causative potency would have to be equal.
On reflection I would arrive at the same conclusion, but for a slightly
different reason, namely that we have no rational basis for division of
causation between them and so we must fall back on the rule that where
a court has no reason to make an unequal apportionment it must apportion
equally: cf EM Baldwin & Son Pty Ltd v Plane [1999] ATR T91-499.
'Ha!' David is happily exclaiming. 'No rational basis
for division of causation, eh? My point, I think.'
But wait ... As I said at the start, it's not a good
example. It runs us into evidential problems and we have to use a default
rule. But let's take another example, in equity this time. Suppose that
D1 is a bad trustee and D2 is a dishonest assistant who helps him launder
misappropriated trust funds. Suppose that we can prove that D1 would have
taken the trust funds whether or not D2 had helped him, but that D2's
help has made it a bit easier for D1 to carry through his dishonest scheme.
On a but-for basis D2 has not caused the beneficiaries' loss, but he's
still liable to them because he helped D1: Grupo Torras v Al-Sabah
(No 5) QBD 24 June 1999; Casio
Computer Ltd v Sayo [2001] EWCA Civ 661.
If David is right that causative potency is a meaningless
concept, then we can only say that D1 and D2 are equally the causes of
the beneficiaries' loss and that D1's actions have had no greater impact
on the beneficiaries' position than D2's actions. But can we not meaningfully
say that D1's actions in initiating a scheme to steal from the beneficiaries
and salt the money away are a more potent cause of their loss than D2's
actions in moving money from one bank account to another. on D1's directions?
Cf Schott Kem Ltd v Bentley [1991] 1 QB 61 at 76; Arab Monetary
Fund v Hashim The Times 11 Oct 1994. Take D2 out of the picture and
the loss would still be incurred; take D1 away and it wouldn't be. David
would say that this makes no difference but I doubt this.
Best wishes At 14:02 15/09/2005 +0200, you wrote:
I find this discussion really interesting,
but I'm not sure that I can make any sense of causative potency in this
context. Let's take the example:
Suppose I'm on a pedestrian crossing
and two negligently driven cars hit me simultaneously, one [D1] travelling
at 60 mph and one [D2] travelling at 20 mph. I am badly injured. Both
drivers have caused my injuries on a but-for test. But I would still
argue (from my hospital bed - I just keep on going) that the actions
of D1 driving the first car were a more potent cause of my injuries
than the actions of D2 driving the second car.
I don't think that this is the best
example because it is natural to assume that the car going faster would
have caused more damage (and hence should be liable for more regardless
of the contribution rules). Do we still have the intuition that D1 was
more casually potent than D2 if we can show that P would have been injured
to exactly the same extent if only D2 had been present? I don't, at
any rate. If P would have suffered the exact same injury whether D1
or D2 had been absent, how can we say that one was more causally potent
than the other? Has this got something to do with overdetermination?
Is it possible to provide a definition of causal potency?
(Sorry if this has already been given
and I have missed the post, but I am very interested in these ideas.)
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