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Sender:
Charles Mitchell
Date:
Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:36:35 +0100
Re:
Charter plc v City Index Ltd [2006] EWHC 2508 (Ch)

 

At 17:01 23/10/2006 +0100, Andrew Tettenborn wrote:

You make 2 beguiling points:

(a) The correctness / desirability of the Target solution. On this I'm afraid I just differ with Hayton & Marshall: despite some rather confused C19 dicta, a claim against a defendant trustee that she make good the claimant for a sum she no longer has in her hands but ought to have seems to me to bear all the hallmarks of a claim for a wrong. In my view we should recognise this fact.

(b) The equiparation of the knowing recipient and the recipient of a mistaken payment. This depends on the correctness of the assertion that the knowing recipient's liability depends (or ought to depend) on unjust enrichment. A lot of people regard this as axiomatic: I don't. We have two liabilities in the English law of trusts: that of the non-bona fide purchaser defendant who still has the trust property, and that of the defendant who once had it but doesn't have it any more, otherwise known as the knowing recipient. My own view is that the most natural way of looking at the latter's liability is wrong-based. It seems to me perverse to take a liability specifically aimed at a defendant who no longer has an asset, say it's unjust enrichment-based and then start arguing how far she should be allowed to pray in aid the fact that she's got rid of it.

I suspect any European lawyer from outside the British Isles would regard this as a sensible approach, and for once I think they'd be right.

 

Dear Andrew

I think we've arrived at the point where we'll have to agree to disagree! On (a) I understand where you're coming from, and you have Andy Burrows and Rob Chambers on your side, but in my view your position is historically inaccurate (as I explain in forthcoming CLP). On (b) it's not clear to me why you think a defendant who still has the money wouldn't owe a personal liability as a knowing recipient as well as a proprietary liability in respect of the money - i.e. your characterization of liability for knowing receipt as a liability which is 'specifically aimed at a defendant who no longer has an asset' strikes me as peculiar.

Incidentally, while we're on the subject, you may be interested to read the HCA transcripts relating to the appeal in Say-Dee, which suggest a certain keenness on the part of Gummow and Heydon JJ to disseminate their own (Tettenbornian?) views on the point, notwithstanding counsel's difficulties in pulling the grounds of appeal together: here and here.

 

Best wishes
Charles


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