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Sender:
Gordon Goldberg
Date:
Sat, 10 Nov 2001 16:48:42
Re:
Etridge and the Constitution

 

I beg the pardon of members of the list for my despatch, which immediately and accidentally preceded this and was premature. The numbered paragraphs herein are my replies to Steve's answers to my propositions, which he has reproduced in the "Earlier Original Message" appearing below. The numbers correspond to the bold figures which I have inserted in that message.

1. Prospective decision making is avowedly to change the law. A change in the law can be made only by an Act of Parliament, not by the House of Lords acting alone, whether judicially or otherwise - Beamish v. Beamish (1861) 9 H.L.C. 274 (I.), 338-339.

2. In [2000] R.L.R. at 200 n.65 I have argued that the decision in Kleinwort Benson is unconstitutional. In my e-missive (To: Hector MacQueen Date: 15 August 1999 17:54 Subject: Re: Payments under Protest) I suggested a traditional reason for the decision in Woolwich.

3. I respectively concur with what Allan has written in the "Later Original Message" appearing below.

4. The evil is of giving pronouncements of the House of Lords weight: both too little, in allowing them without restriction to be overruled by the House's later decisions; and too much, in allowing the later pronouncements to change the law authoritatively laid down by the House's prior decisions and so to enact legislation. After all, quite apart from the Practice Statement, the Lords Spiritual and Temporal in the Queen's Court of Parliament assembled (like one of H.M. courts of justice, insofar as it is not bound by statute or by the decision of a tribunal higher in the hierarchy) are free to correct the mistakes of themselves or their predecessors (Midland Silicones v. Scruttons [1962] A.C. 446, 476-7), but not simply to give effect to mere changes or differences of opinion (Beamish v. Beamish above; Farrell v Alexander [1976] Q.B. 345, 369). Mistakes may consist of the overlooking of established principles (Midland Silicones, above, at 477-8) or of authorities, whether statutes (London Street Tramways v L.C.C. [1898] A.C. 375, 380-1) or cases (Nicholas v Penny [1950] 2 KB 466). Cf. "per incuriam" in Young v Bristol Aeroplane Co [1944] KB 718 and "Dormitat Homer" in Horace's Ars Poetica 359, translated in Farrell, above.

 

-----Later Original Message-----
From: Allan Axelrod
Date: 09 November 2001 16:51
Subject: Re: [RDG:] Etridge and the Constitution

under the usual terminology any dictum [statement of law unnecessary for the decision of the particular case] is non-judicial: prospective overrulings are egregious

as it is the legislature which is authorized to lay down rules for future behavior. a considered dictum is an attempted usurpation, and if later respected would be judicial legislation

however, because legislating is beyond the court's authority, the dictum does not have the force of law, and under the usual ideas of stare decisis, a later court is not bound by the dicta of an earlier i wouldn't get a lot of comfort from that if the later court happens to have the very judges who enthusiastically 'legislated' in the prior case

so although legitimate judicial holding and illegitimate dicta differ in respectability for later courts: they are, from the gutter perspective of clients, the same in that each will have whatever effect a later court in fact gives it.

 

-----Earlier Original Message-----
From: Steve Hedley
Date: 09 November 2001 11:11
Subject: [RDG:] Etridge and the constitution

1.

Legislation (unless by an Act of Parliament, agreed to by the Commons and the Crown, as well as by their Lordships) is ultra vires the House of Lords - Beamish v. Beamish (1861) 9 H.L.C. 274 (I.) at 338-339.

Lionel and Gordon both seem to me to be running together the question whether the Lords can act "prospectively" with the question whether they can act "legislatively". But these are very different issues. Or where is it laid down that prospective decision-taking should be confined to legislatures?

2.

Thus, in their judicial capacity their Lordships are limited to the induction of the relevant principles from the previous cases and the application of those principles to the facts of the case before them, so as to deduce its resolution in favour of the appellant or the respondent.

A rather narrow view of the lords' function! Surely most "leading cases" go further, and are "leading" for precisely that reason. Was Kleinwort Benson merely an exercise in induction? Was Woolwich?

3.

To purport to lay down what will be invariably satisfactory in the future (though properly continuing to let past transactions depend on the facts of each case) goes far beyond these limits. Yet that is what Lord Browne-Wilkinson did in O'Brien [1994] A.C. 180, at 196; and so I have always taught that, being pretended legislation, what Lord Hobhouse calls "Lord Browne-Wilkinson's ... carefully crafted scheme" could not be part of the ratio decidendi of O'Brien.

I would imagine that both lords knew perfectly well that what they were saying was not ratio. Indeed, they may only have been happy to speak in such specific terms BECAUSE they knew the detail would not bind lower courts. This seems more plausible than calling B-W's opinions "pretended legislation".

4.

I submit such pretensions should cause no surprise because (as I tried to argue in [2000] R.L.R. at 200 n.65) the Practice Statement (Judicial Precedent) [1966] 1 W.L.R. 1234 is itself so tainted and perhaps may be seen as the root of the evil.

The root of which evil? Of giving pronouncements of the house of lords too much weight, or too little?

Steve Hedley

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